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MyManFriday, I appreciate your comments regarding the social status of LGBTs in India. If it is of any comfort, much of what you describe exists everywhere else as well, particularly when the society in question has not had the opportunity to discuss the issues in any great detail. I surfed several online editions of the major Indian newspapers and from many of the comments posted, I could gauge this to be true. In the free-speech desert that is Singapore, the internet has been a huge boon for awareness raising on LGBT issues and today we have an army of allies who will not hesitate to voice their support for us - they just needed to learn the issues from us first in order to be able to do that. For entirely different reasons than free speech, I believe that the internet can be used to good effect India as well. Your thoughts?

Jesus is either a G, B or T. He cannot have sex since He has to be a perfect Sacrifice, spotless and blameless. He cannot entertain sexual thoughts, cannot lie with a male, etc. He just got attracted to male, only hold hands or kiss or let a male's head lean on his chest. He gone through the suffering of suppression, died on the cross, and the life which He purchased by His blood is given to all, including the LGBTs. We no need suppress anymore now. As far as God is concerned, same gendered marriage is accepted before Him. In the Old Testament, homosexuals can get attracted, love, kiss but cannot have anal sex. They feel incomplete, homosexuality is always 'lower' than heterosexuality. They will have to find completion from the devil (e.g. idol worship in Romans 1:26-27). 'You got to get it from me', says the devil. Thus no way can they please God if they break the Law. However, Jesus loves us so much. He walked the life of a homosexual, but without sex. After He died, homosexuals can find completion under a same gendered love covenant before God. Homosexual matrimony is brought to the same 'level', if not 'higher', as heterosexual matrimony before the Father. That is to say, God has make a way where there seems to be no way. Same gendered marriage becomes a second option for LGBTs in the New Testament, where in the Old Testament the only way to get it is from the devil. 'Are you leaving me?', the devil screamed. So the devil is angry, kept homosexuals under bondage, strike them with HIV, defame their blood, use the descendants of Abraham to accuse them, rob them of the life which God has purchased for them by His blood. In doing so, he 'feels' that Jesus is under his feet, and he is higher than God. I may sound crazy but Truth usually sound crazy. But be sure that on the Day of Judgement, every knee (including the fundies) will bow before a Homosexual, every tongue confess, that Jesus Christ is God Almighty, who is gay! Jesus has purchased gay marriage by His blood, and anal sex is accepted before the Father. Gay marriage is now a holy promise from the Father. But the devil hates Jesus. He wanted to steal the promise from us and thus deceives us. He make anal sex as one of the most risky activity in contacting HIV and thus make it into a tabboo.

Thus Jesus, being a Homosexual, this implies that homosexuality is divine. saying homosexuality is a sin means Jesus is a sinner. This would be a blampheme. Saying that homosexual orientation can be changed means something divine can be change, that means you are greater than God. No one is greater than God, and God will not allow that to happen. That is why it cannot be changed. God has provided you a way already. You have a choice: do it His way or your way. That is why all things are possible with God! Also, many who are first will be last, and last, first. He who has ears, let him hear!

Genesis 3:15 "I will put enmity between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel." The verse is fulfilled. Abrahamic faiths shed lots of blood. Why? God says through Abraham, the whole world is blessed. The devil did the opposite, he wanted the whole world to be cursed through Abraham and his descendants. He let his children kill and hate one another in the sight of the world. That is why Jews kill Muslims, Muslims kill Jews, Muslims oppress women, Catholics persecute Christians, Christians criticize Catholics, Christians criminalize homosexuals, homosexuals hate Christians, etc...All these didn't know that they are far and close relatives of one another, all one big family. Their only common enemy is the devil. Note: Killing homosexuals = killing God. Devil deceived Muslims and Christians to kill their God unknowingly, hurting God's heart via His own beloved children. Devil shouted: Being gay, cannot be Christian. Being Christian, cannot be gay! What a big lie. The more he lies, the more we know the Truth. Know the Truth and the Truth indeed sets you free. The Lord rebuke you devil, defeated by a Homosexual, defeated by the blood of a Homosexual, rejected by the love of a Homosexual. The world is saved through the love of a Homosexual. The devil has not tasted the love of a Homosexual, and he will be going to hell. He is very envious! That is why the devil hates the love of homosexuals and the blood of homosexuals, makes the world despise it, defame it, makes the world think it is dirty. Devil: "What I could not have, I will not let others to have it. I will deceive, deceive, deceive and make many homosexuals hate God! Hahahahaha."

Gay marriage is found in the Bible. In John 19:26-27, Jesus saw his mother standing by, and the disciple whom Jesus 'loved', standing by as well, he instructed John to took Mary, His mother, to his own house to take care of her, just like his biological mother. In Deut 25:5-6, God has implemented a Law regarding widows. In the Old Testament, women are propety of men. They cannot come out into the society to work. Their finances and livelihood depend solely on men. If a woman's husband is dead, and if she had no son, then she would need to get married to her brother-in-law who would take care of her. From this passage, we can know that if she had sons, her first born would take care of her, and if her first born is dead, then her second born would take care of her, and so on. If she had no son and brother-in-laws, then she would need to go back to her father's house, just like the case of Tamar, Judah's daughter-in-law. If her father is dead, then she would remain poor or some forced herself to be prostitutes in order to earn money and survive. In the case of Jesus, he is the First Born in the family. He is not the husband of Mary. Why would He wanted someone to take care of her after He was dead? Perhaps Mary is a widow by then, i.e. Joseph, Jesus' earthy father, was already dead, Jesus, the first born, was thus the next one to take care of her. Jesus knew God's Law well, and He has biological brothers (Matthew 12:46, John 2:12, Acts 1:14), and one of them is Jude! Jesus would have kept quiet to John and Mary, and let his biological brothers to take care of her. Unless you say that his biological brothers, including Jude, who wrote the Bible, was very unspiritual and forsook their Mother Mary. Otherwise, Jesus would have 'broken' the Law in order to have the outsider, the son of Zebedee called John, to take care of His mother, just because He 'loved' John so much! Mother Mary became John's mother-in-law and Jesus has instituted same gendered marriage, marrying himself to John on the cross just before He died and said 'it is finished'. No body know this mystery until 2000 years later. All because the devil lied. Homosexuals, wake up! Jesus never started exgay movement, and never marry Himself to women, in order to earn 'gay marriage' before the Father for us. Gay marriage is accepted before God the Father and it is there for us to claim. The devil hates it anmd tries all means to distract us from it.

You must get things clear: 1) The Bible did not mention anything immoral/ negative about homosexual orientation. 2) The Bible does mention about homosexual activity, and all negative remarks. 3) The Bible says that the cause of homosexual activities is via the worship of devil/ demons (i.e. idols). This is the only cause mentioned in the Bible (Rom 1:26-27). Jesus became flesh, a Human Being. He is God Almighty, who humbles Himself even to the extend of being a Homosexual, a Human Being who possesses homosexual orientation (Jn 13:23; Jn 19:26; Jn 20:2; Jn 21:7, 20). Homosexual orientation is divine. The devil knew it and he wanted to be like Father God, wanted to be worshipped as a god. In order to feel like he is the Father, he invented his own perverted form of worship: homosexual prosmicous activity (Rom 1:26-27). Romans 1:26-27 refers to religious acts of worship involving same sex acts in ancient times and does NOT refer to all homosexual activity.

In the last days there are many false prophets, so do not be deceived. The devil hates Jesus, who is a Homosexual, because He has defeated him. Jesus has defeated the devil by His blood. Via His blood and death on the cross, He has saved the world from hell. But the devil is going to hell. Since the devil has been defeated by Jesus, the only way his anger could be satisfied is by making war with the rest of the homosexuals. HIV is not from God, it is from the devil. It is a curse from the devil for all races, cultures, nations, states, sexual orientation, age, etc. But he make people think it is a homosexual disease. Why? Just as by the blood of one Man, Jesus, the whole world is blessed and saved, so the devil wants to the whole world to be cursed by HIV and think the blood of homosexuals is dirty. The devil hated the blood of Jesus!! In this way the devil feels that Jesus is always under his feet, defeating Him and he would be God instead of Jesus. Do not think homosexuality is a sin anymore. Saying that implying Jesus is a sinner, which is a blasphemy. Homosexuality is divine! The devil wants homosexuals think homosexuality is sin, feels condenmed, get into promicuity, self hatred, spread HIV, and then use people to accuse them. Then the devil would be happy as he feels like Jesus is always under his feet. Just as the jews in the old testament criminalize Jesus and kill Him on the cross, not knowing that He is their God, similarly Christrians today crimialize homosexuals in the secular world. The devil wanted to deceive God's children. He used God's people to kill God as this would hurt God's heart the most. History repeats itself. The same old lie of the devil but in different packaging. He who has ears let him hear!

Since India was also a British Colony. Singapore should follow suit. Cuz being gay is not against any law.

According to their teachings, a person is possessed by sexual demons when a person gets involved in prosmicuity. Please note that heterosexuals do go to these spiritual warfare sessions in order to have demons cast out from them. But this does not mean that they get their sexual orientation changed. Heterosexual men may get less and less prosmicuous, but this does not mean they do not get attracted to women any longer. Thus, it is prosmicuity and it does not have anything to do with sexual orientation. The Bible does not say anything negative regarding homosexual attraction and falling in love with the same gender. Apart from prosmicuity, bitterness also can lead to a person getting possessed by demons (Matthew 18:24). Thus, when you see a homosexual get his 'demon' cast out, it could mean the following: 1) Sexual demon (due to prosmucuity, similar to heterosexuals), or 2) Bitterness (when you get angry because other people discriminate you and your anger is not immediately dealth with), or 3) Nothing to do with demons The homosexual in the video clip has been deceived.

It is WRITTEN! It is written in the BIBLE, the Word of God. Matthew 7:15-20 YOU WILL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS 15 “Beware of FALSE PROPHETS, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them. And Matthew 7:21-23 I NEVER KNEW YOU: 21 “Not everyone who says to Me [Jesus], ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I [Jesus] will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ He who has ears let him hear!

hum... ok, so you don't like Cohen's approach to humour in his movies (in real life he may be totally different, no way to know), and because you don't like it you say : "it's not funny". I know we all do that all the time. If we don't like onion soup, we say "onion soup is disgusting". If we don't understand Picasso we say it's ugly. If we don't appreciate J.-S. Bach we say its boring... But the fact that we do it all the time doesn't make it right. It's no big deal, it's just another of those semantic twists that make us look at things the way they are... not. As I wrote earlier, Cohen mode of humour is the farce, it's as old as can be, and it's always had its fans and its detractors. Obiously Donald Trump doesn't like farce, well, good for him, but the fact that he's Trump doesn't make his taste heavier or more important, it's just his. And yours is yours... :-)

Actually, I guess my main problem with this guy is that I don't find him particularly funny. Some of his "humour" seems to be painfully contrived. He reminds me of a guy who walks into a public square, drops his pants and takes a dump, then looks around to see who is laughing. "Hello! Funny, funny, funny. No? You didn't find it funny? Wait, wait, I have big fart coming". Then he farts loud and long and splatters more stuff around. "Okay, funny now? hehe, see, so funny. You want more funny? I give you more funny. See, different colour, different smell, just for you. Funny, funny. hahaha. Wait, wait, I do on this nice potted plant. Funny now? Yes, yes. hahaha. Hey, nice doggie there. Bring that doggie. I do on doggie... like this... funny, funny. hahaha". His "Ali G" interviews look truly pathetic, and not the least bit funny. The people being interviewed didn't find it even remotely funny, either, and at least one person, including Donald Trump, simply got up and walked away, showing contempt in their faces while saying goodbye. Usually, you call someone dumb if he asks dumb questions. But this guy belongs to a different category of dumbness: He is so dumb that he often doesn't even have any dumb questions to ask. Have you noticed the long bits of awkward silence while he is floundering around racking his "brains" for more dumb questions? Of course, he cleverly edits his bits to shorten those awkward pauses, making the pictures rotate around, etc., just to give the feeling that a lot is happening. Let me anticipate the indignation of those who would think this guy is funny, and put to them this situation: Let's say you're in hospital, and the doctor has just asked you to put your head back, close your eyes, open your mouth wide and say "aaaah". You say "aaah", and the next thing you know, the nurse has pooped in your open mouth. Would you find that funny? This guy probably would (he'd probably be the pooper, in fact).

thank you for enlightening us further, "yveserwan". i think that's the first benefit, if any, of a forum like this - it's not personal, it's not to "win" arguments, it's not about ego, it's to learn something which might help us to understand each other and the world better. but in the end, what we believe, we have to decide ourselves. you're right about at least one thing, sir - i am no philosopher.. :) cheers!

The Times of India has made a very unfortunate choice of words: "Victory for choice"; "In 21st century India, it is perverse to penalise adults for their sexual choices." Dear TOI, thanks for your support. But, what part of "being gay is not a choice" don't you get? Don't you realise that when you are in an extremely hostile environment where "anything you say or do or even don't say or do can and will be used against you", you need to be more careful with how you say what you say? You are providing fresh ammunition to all the Indian heterosexual male gay-bashers to brandish your newspaper and fume about this "filthy western imported choice" being dumped on "the superior Indian race with its 5000 years of pristine pure culture". And, as you are aware, there are hundreds of millions of that kind in India, totally hostile to the gay community. Much more than the entire populations of your countries. Because, as you can see here, the primary objective in Indian culture is to make babies. We are born to make babies. Anyone who does not make babies, preferably male babies, is considered worthless in India, to be pitied, scorned and relentlessly advised on how to make babies. Indians feel nothing but pity for "you westerners with all your money": "So much money, but what is the use? Not even one child? What is the use of your life? How can you enjoy? Who will look after you when you are old? Who will bury or cremate you when you die?" And so on. To their friends they sadly describe you as: "He is an engineer; has nice house and car; but he has no children". The discussion then continues, "Why? Poor fellow. What happened?" etc. God forbid if you are "not even married". "What! Not married?! How old is he? Maybe some problem? He can see a doctor. I know this good doctor, he can fix anything,... I know this girl. Very suitable for him. Can you get his details?..." Indians have to get married by their mid twenties, then the friends and relatives wait with bated breath for the "I'm pregnant" event, and get extremely concerned if that announcement hasn't come within three months of the wedding. At every meeting, the question is put to the couple, "So, any news? Not yet? It is now three months after the wedding, isn't it? Any problems? I know this good doctor. He can fix anything..." It does not matter whether the young couple even has a job or income. "First things first. Have the child. Job and everything can come later. God is there, no? We want to hold our grandson in our arms before we die". (Yes, grandson preferably, and not granddaughter.) When this much-awaited "I'm pregnant" announcement finally comes, the breaking news spreads quickly with the comment, "Finally!" The VERY proud grandparents organise an important religious gathering on this occasion, where relatives are proudly invited to rejoice over the fresh addition to the already overburdened Indian population. This "gay choice" is the biggest slap in the face to this "important Indian culture of making babies". Of course, all heterosexual Indian males also fully realise the whole truth about being gay: that it is "pedophilia", "animal sex", "rich man's hobby", "only found in big cities and never in rural areas", "unnatural", "against God's wish", and the rest. They learnt these things ALL by themselves, without needing to speak to or even know a single gay person. It is not for nothing that Indians are proud of their superior intelligence. They also have strong patriotic reasons for opposing gayness: "If we 'allow gay', then we must also allow animal sex, pedophilia, incest. It will destroy 5000 year old Indian culture. If everyone becomes gay, then the human race will become extinct. We must protect the human race." And so on. It is not easy being gay in India.

I am absolutely thrilled to see India a country which is assume to be less forward than Singapore to be decriminalizing Section 377. Now I feel pretty ashamed that my own country is lagging behind in terms of modernity. Our State seems to be in a state of denial that the world and our people have move forward. They are blatantly in refusal to recognize that homosexuality is already part of the modern world. Who say NO to the decriminalization? The whole team who govern us is the one who say NO. Or is it just one person opinion and decision? Whatever it is, all i have to say is MOVE FORWARD Singapore.

On the second video , first of all the Gay Right activist is quite cute ..hehehe secondly it is totally hilarious cum weird to have such a person as a Vice Chairman for Minority group (somemore its at State and not a kampung/village level) ...just talking about procreation ...did he mention anything about love between two consenting adults ...I think he is so obsessed with procreation ..I think we can set up a procreation centre for people like him ....to just pro-create ...to make babies for the world ...indeed he does not belong to 21st century like the host rightly said ....

My dear "oldfren"... you yourself do not "philosophize"... indeed it's more like preaching... the word "sin" in particular tends to ring in my ears like nails on a chalkboard... The problem is that, generous and concerned as you may sound (and I'm sure you are), the picture you are painting of Thailand's gay sex scene is simply not real. It's the picture that the boys you meet there will repeatedly sing in your ears, for the obvious reason that your compassion and sense of guilt are directly related to your potential generosity. It's the picture that both “seller” and “buyer” like to convey, not because it's true but because it suits them and eases their guilt (in that order). How many times have I heard the sex tourists conscientiously repeat this legend and explain how happy they are to "help" those boys send money back to their families, repair the house, buy a new buffalo, pay for their university, their Mum in hospital etc. 99% of the time, a big pack of lies. Expats who've been living in Thailand for a long time, and many of my Thai friends too, all joke about it because they’ve heard it all, they know the real picture and don't buy the "I come from poor family" routine like gullible temporary tourists do. A few guys may be "drawn to the world of love-for-sale by poverty" (especially those from the Northern hill tribes) but anyone who knows the scene there will tell you that they are a precious few (except in Chiang Mai). Most of the boys in Pattaya, Bangkok, Phuket etc come from Esarn (the Northeast) and from families which are indeed not rich, but helloooo, we are not AT ALL talking about poverty such as the one that can be met in the suburbs of Mumbai, Jakarta or Dacca. Where girls are concerned it's a totally different story, because they are almost always pimped, which the boys are NOT.

What a fantastic day for ALL Indians! The Dehli High Court has shown backbone by pushing the great nation of India into the 21st century! Where are you Singapore on repealing 377A? Are we still a tiny nation with a small mindset on this social issue? Show some backbone and leadership and stop hiding behind the veil of upholding 'asian values'. Singapore can never truly be a world-class global city state if it isn't progressive on gay rights. By keeping 377A and making it a crime for two consenting adults of the same sex to do what they please in the bedroom is a crime in itself!

India did it, but why not Malaysia and Singapore? Well, I think it’s not fair to make comparison, bearing in mind that India’s LGBTI situation may be very different from that of Malaysia and Singapore for example, in that the gay community in India has been perpetually persecuted by law enforcement officers, of all people, who should have been their protectors, even to the point of being anally and orally raped and dehumanized, all because gay sex is illegal under Section 377 of the Indian penal code. It is partly due to such gross exploitation of a sexual minority that led the Delhi High Court to rule in favour of decriminalization of consensual same-sex acts between adults in private. It is an irony that the enforcers of this law engage in sodomy themselves in the full sense of the word which involves sexual violence, while those they arrested and charged have only been involved in consensual sex without hurting anyone. How much more hypocritical can they get? Moreover, the social stigma attached to gay people under Sec 377 has prevented many MSM’s from coming forward to get tested for HIV for fear of being stigmatized and persecuted once they disclose their MSM activities. This increases the rate of HIV transmission as those who might be HIV+ are deprived of the counseling and treatment they need in order to curb the spread of the virus. That’s why NGOs such as Naz Foundation have been lobbying so hard to have Section 377 repealed once and for all. Eight long years of agitation have finally paid off! It’s certainly a breath of fresh air for Delhi’s LGBTI community. Let’s hope that the rest of India will catch on as her people begin to wake up and take the issues of human rights and equality more seriously.

This is truly exhilarating news for Asia. While the victory most squarely belongs to Indian LGBTs, it is also a testimony to the continued strength of India's public institutions, already the strongest in Asia. It exposes Singapore's politicians for the comedians that they are who are bent on making a mockery of our public institutions. Unlike in Singapore, there were no major spats in India over the rule of law, constitutionalism, secularism, democracy, the role of the courts and their independence from the Executive, and a host of other issues that should already have been settled. It is a proud moment for me too that this has taken place in the country that is my cultural homeland. I guess Jai Hind (Victorious India) should now be recast as Gay Hind!